1. They cooked the data
2. They controlled the ipcc
3. They blocked opposing research
4. They threatened and damaged opponents
5. They peer reviewed their own papers
6. They misused unalike data
7. They colluded together
8. They mocked contrary science
9. They took huge amounts of public money
10. They destroyed evidence
Put them on trial now
Subpena all their records and data, freeze their funds and assets
Return the Prize! User ID: 826503 United States 11/24/2009 9:40 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
1. They cooked the data
2. They controlled the ipcc
3. They blocked opposing research
4. They threatened and damaged opponents
5. They peer reviewed their own papers
6. They misused unalike data
7. They colluded together
8. They mocked contrary science
9. They took huge amounts of public money
10. They destroyed evidence
Put them on trial now
Subpena all their records and data, freeze their funds and assets
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 826108
A class action lawsuit would finish them off.
:) User ID: 824688 Canada 11/24/2009 9:57 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
1. They cooked the data
2. They controlled the ipcc
3. They blocked opposing research
4. They threatened and damaged opponents
5. They peer reviewed their own papers
6. They misused unalike data
7. They colluded together
8. They mocked contrary science
9. They took huge amounts of public money
10. They destroyed evidence
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 826108
Scientific endeavour has been compromised for ages; cold fusion, rife, tesla, big pharma etc. Most will still fail to see the forest behind this tree.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826108 Malaysia 11/24/2009 10:01 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
1. They attacked the basic fundamental of life
2. They destroyed any remaining faith in peer reviewed science
3. They undermined professional ethics
4. They hung themselves with their own hubris
Oil, coal, limestone etc are all results of living metabolism and natural chemical processes. To demonse carbon was to demonise life
Baah Baah! User ID: 826522 United States 11/24/2009 10:09 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
1. They cooked the data
2. They controlled the ipcc
3. They blocked opposing research
4. They threatened and damaged opponents
5. They peer reviewed their own papers
6. They misused unalike data
7. They colluded together
8. They mocked contrary science
9. They took huge amounts of public money
10. They destroyed evidence
Put them on trial now
Subpena all their records and data, freeze their funds and assets
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 826108
Yeah, if you or I were in charge, but the fact that the info was obtained illegally means nothing will happen, and thats goina drive people nuts.
That Copenhagen thing is coming up soon too.
should get interesting. *Type your thoughts in the box!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826108 Malaysia 11/24/2009 10:14 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
1. They cooked the data
2. They controlled the ipcc
3. They blocked opposing research
4. They threatened and damaged opponents
5. They peer reviewed their own papers
6. They misused unalike data
7. They colluded together
8. They mocked contrary science
9. They took huge amounts of public money
10. They destroyed evidence
Put them on trial now
Subpena all their records and data, freeze their funds and assets
Yeah, if you or I were in charge, but the fact that the info was obtained illegally means nothing will happen, and thats goina drive people nuts.
That Copenhagen thing is coming up soon too.
should get interesting.
Quoting: Baah Baah!
The people in charge paid them to do all that. Who knows if it was the politicians or the scientists who decided to defraud everybody? Maybe they'll just pretend it didn't happen, and continue with their Copenhagen plan to tax everything.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826029 (OP) France 11/24/2009 10:53 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
1. They cooked the data
2. They controlled the ipcc
3. They blocked opposing research
4. They threatened and damaged opponents
5. They peer reviewed their own papers
6. They misused unalike data
7. They colluded together
8. They mocked contrary science
9. They took huge amounts of public money
10. They destroyed evidence
Put them on trial now
Subpena all their records and data, freeze their funds and assets
Yeah, if you or I were in charge, but the fact that the info was obtained illegally means nothing will happen, and thats goina drive people nuts.
That Copenhagen thing is coming up soon too.
should get interesting.
The people in charge paid them to do all that. Who knows if it was the politicians or the scientists who decided to defraud everybody? Maybe they'll just pretend it didn't happen, and continue with their Copenhagen plan to tax everything.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 823670
They will definitely continue the Copenhagen Summit because if it is canceled it just as good as admitting they are guilty. They don't want to lose face.
They will keep talking about it for a while hoping it will just fizzle out and fall into the sheeples memory hole.
Return the prize!! User ID: 826555 United States 11/24/2009 11:07 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
They will definitely continue the Copenhagen Summit because if it is canceled it just as good as admitting they are guilty. They don't want to lose face.
They will keep talking about it for a while hoping it will just fizzle out and fall into the sheeples memory hole.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 826029
Unfortunately, I am thinking the same ...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826029 (OP) France 11/24/2009 11:11 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
They will definitely continue the Copenhagen Summit because if it is canceled it just as good as admitting they are guilty. They don't want to lose face.
They will keep talking about it for a while hoping it will just fizzle out and fall into the sheeples memory hole.
Unfortunately, I am thinking the same ...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526297
Don't get me wrong. Global Warming is finished.
If they keep pursing it the people who are awake will destroy them. And their are too many of us now.
They will just talk about it and get quieter and quieter until it goes away. That's all.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 823670 Australia 11/24/2009 11:29 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
Well as long as we don't get the carbon tax, or any other made-up BS, that sounds like a pretty good result. It'd be better to expose who decided to do this, but we all know that the people at the top never get in big trouble.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 814387 Canada 11/24/2009 11:44 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
Well as long as we don't get the carbon tax, or any other made-up BS, that sounds like a pretty good result. It'd be better to expose who decided to do this, but we all know that the people at the top never get in big trouble.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 823670
Agreed.
There are two ways to look at it:
1- We stop the HOAX and the money scam.
2- We put them all in jail.
At this point we have #1.
Most people are not aggressive enough to pursue #2.
But it's still a win.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 823670 Australia 11/24/2009 11:51 PM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
The Knights Carbonic? This is elementary satire. These "fellows write" in the style of Dr. No or maybe EAT.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 814387
He has to respond somehow. He can hardly just give up when he's spent years of his life promoting the man made global warming theory. There was no sensible response he could make except to give up, so he decided to write a bunch of nonsense:
"Luckily for the sceptics, and to my intense disappointment, I have now been passed the damning email which confirms that the entire science of global warming is indeed a scam. Had I known that it was this easy to rig the evidence, I wouldn’t have wasted years of my life promoting a bogus discipline. In the interests of open discourse, I feel obliged to reproduce it here."
It's hardly surprising. The people who are pushing the man made global warming agenda never want to talk about science, unless it says that the world is heating up. So what is he to do now that the hoax has been exposed? Start ranting and raving is his choice.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 809475 United States 11/25/2009 1:17 AM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
It wasn't obtained illegally... now they are saying it was an insider that got the data using the Freedom of information Act ... he did it that way because that was the only way it could be done...
If I call the police from a stolen phone, to report a murder, is it any less a murder
what they had/have planned for the GW hoax amounts to GENOCIDE for some countries unable to comply... not to mention putting more burden on the American citizens who are enemployed and have to come up with thirty grand to make their house "green" ... if they somehow manage to keep it through the depression
this is a GOD SEND ... a miracle ... our last chance to stop the rat bastards in their tracks...
Obama is already ignoring it completely
the MSN is trying their best to ignore it too
it is up to us to make sure it doesn't just die in birth
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826029 (OP) France 11/25/2009 1:24 AM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
It wasn't obtained illegally... now they are saying it was an insider that got the data using the Freedom of information Act ... he did it that way because that was the only way it could be done...
If I call the police from a stolen phone, to report a murder, is it any less a murder
what they had/have planned for the GW hoax amounts to GENOCIDE for some countries unable to comply... not to mention putting more burden on the American citizens who are enemployed and have to come up with thirty grand to make their house "green" ... if they somehow manage to keep it through the depression
this is a GOD SEND ... a miracle ... our last chance to stop the rat bastards in their tracks...
Obama is already ignoring it completely
the MSN is trying their best to ignore it too
it is up to us to make sure it doesn't just die in birth
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 809475
That would be great!
Do you have a link for that?
And yes OSCAMBA is going to ignore it, do you know how many times he has promoted this fraud? And he has money invested in it. He is totally finished, he has the credibility of a crackhead now....
Anyway, linky?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 792918 Canada 11/25/2009 1:51 AM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
this is a GOD SEND ... a miracle ... our last chance to stop the rat bastards in their tracks...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 826029
Interestingly, that's the word the hacker used in their initial post.
“A miracle just happened” 2009 NOVEMBER 23
by stevemcintyre
Gavin Schmidt states categorically that the FOIA.zip was uploaded to RC around 6.20 am Eastern and that 4 downloads took place prior to RC regaining control of their blog.
He also observes that there is a previously unnoticed reference to the file (and I confirm that I had not previously noticed the significance of the comment here at 5.24 am blog time (7.24 am Eastern) where the name of the poster “RC” (identified as contrib@realclimate.org ) included a hyperlink [link to www.realclimate.org] with a comment as follows:
A miracle just happened.
What was the miracle? Posting the file at RC or getting the file in the first place? Dunno. Gavin’s comment in full is as follows:
There seems to be some doubt about the timeline of events that led to the emails hack. For clarification and to save me going through this again, this is a summary of my knowledge of the topic. At around 6.20am (EST) Nov 17th, somebody hacked into the RC server from an IP address associated with a computer somewhere in Turkey, disabled access from the legitimate users, and uploaded a file FOIA.zip to our server. They then created a draft post that would have been posted announcing the data to the world that was identical in content of the comment posted on The Air Vent later that day. They were intercepted before this could be posted on the blog. This archive appears to be identical to the one posted on the Russian server except for the name change. Curiously, and unnoticed by anyone else so far, the first comment posted on this subject was not at the Air Vent, but actually at ClimateAudit (comment 49 on a thread related to stripbark trees, dated Nov 17 5.24am (Central Time I think)). The username of the commenter was linked to the FOIA.zip file at realclimate.org. Four downloads occurred from that link while the file was still there (it no longer is).
The use of a turkish computer would seem to imply that this upload and hack was not solely a whistleblower act, but one that involved more sophisticated knowledge. If SM or JeffID want to share the IPs associated with the comments on their sites, I’ll be happy to post the IP address that was used to compromise RC.
I don’t know why Gavin wants to enter into negotiations about disclosing IP addresses. I’m not interested in such negotiations. The IP address of the commenter at CA was Russian 82.208.87.170.
this is a GOD SEND ... a miracle ... our last chance to stop the rat bastards in their tracks...
Interestingly, that's the word the hacker used in their initial post.
“A miracle just happened” 2009 NOVEMBER 23
by stevemcintyre
Gavin Schmidt states categorically that the FOIA.zip was uploaded to RC around 6.20 am Eastern and that 4 downloads took place prior to RC regaining control of their blog.
He also observes that there is a previously unnoticed reference to the file (and I confirm that I had not previously noticed the significance of the comment here at 5.24 am blog time (7.24 am Eastern) where the name of the poster “RC” (identified as contrib@realclimate.org ) included a hyperlink [link to www.realclimate.org] with a comment as follows:
A miracle just happened.
What was the miracle? Posting the file at RC or getting the file in the first place? Dunno. Gavin’s comment in full is as follows:
There seems to be some doubt about the timeline of events that led to the emails hack. For clarification and to save me going through this again, this is a summary of my knowledge of the topic. At around 6.20am (EST) Nov 17th, somebody hacked into the RC server from an IP address associated with a computer somewhere in Turkey, disabled access from the legitimate users, and uploaded a file FOIA.zip to our server. They then created a draft post that would have been posted announcing the data to the world that was identical in content of the comment posted on The Air Vent later that day. They were intercepted before this could be posted on the blog. This archive appears to be identical to the one posted on the Russian server except for the name change. Curiously, and unnoticed by anyone else so far, the first comment posted on this subject was not at the Air Vent, but actually at ClimateAudit (comment 49 on a thread related to stripbark trees, dated Nov 17 5.24am (Central Time I think)). The username of the commenter was linked to the FOIA.zip file at realclimate.org. Four downloads occurred from that link while the file was still there (it no longer is).
The use of a turkish computer would seem to imply that this upload and hack was not solely a whistleblower act, but one that involved more sophisticated knowledge. If SM or JeffID want to share the IPs associated with the comments on their sites, I’ll be happy to post the IP address that was used to compromise RC.
I don’t know why Gavin wants to enter into negotiations about disclosing IP addresses. I’m not interested in such negotiations. The IP address of the commenter at CA was Russian 82.208.87.170.
This is drop dead serious... they lied, they destroyed other scientists lives... I say "Off with their heads"... I am so sick of the lies... lies,,, lies. Who is willing to pick up pitchforks and go after them?
Obama knows nothing, because he IS nothing. Obama is just the latest version of a dancing monkey, to entertain the peeps. HE IS NOTHING. I wish he was something.. I wish he was a real man, but he is not. Our Pres is a Corporate illusion, who works for the corporations... he cares nothing for the people.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 792918 Canada 11/25/2009 2:32 AM
Re: DRUDGE HEADLINE: Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
Well, we do know he's absolutely furious about this.
Viscount Monckton on Climategate: ‘They Are Criminals’ (PJM Exclusive)
The man who challenged Al Gore to a debate is furious about the content of the leaked CRU emails — and says why you should be, too.
November 23, 2009 - by Christopher Monckton
This is what they did — these climate “scientists” on whose unsupported word the world’s classe politique proposes to set up an unelected global government this December in Copenhagen, with vast and unprecedented powers to control all formerly free markets, to tax wealthy nations and all of their financial transactions, to regulate the economic and environmental affairs of all nations, and to confiscate and extinguish all patent and intellectual property rights.
The tiny, close-knit clique of climate scientists who invented and now drive the “global warming” fraud — for fraud is what we now know it to be — tampered with temperature data so assiduously that, on the recent admission of one of them, land temperatures since 1980 have risen twice as fast as ocean temperatures. One of the thousands of emails recently circulated by a whistleblower at the University of East Anglia, where one of the world’s four global-temperature datasets is compiled, reveals that data were altered so as to prevent a recent decline in temperature from showing in the record. In fact, there has been no statistically significant “global warming” for 15 years — and there has been rapid and significant cooling for nine years.
Worse, these arrogant fraudsters — for fraudsters are what we now know them to be — have refused, for years and years and years, to reveal their data and their computer program listings. Now we know why: As a revealing 15,000-line document from the computer division at the Climate Research Unit shows, the programs and data are a hopeless, tangled mess. In effect, the global temperature trends have simply been made up. Unfortunately, the British researchers have been acting closely in league with their U.S. counterparts who compile the other terrestrial temperature dataset — the GISS/NCDC dataset. That dataset too contains numerous biases intended artificially to inflate the natural warming of the 20th century.
Finally, these huckstering snake-oil salesmen and “global warming” profiteers — for that is what they are — have written to each other encouraging the destruction of data that had been lawfully requested under the Freedom of Information Act in the UK by scientists who wanted to check whether their global temperature record had been properly compiled. And that procurement of data destruction, as they are about to find out to their cost, is a criminal offense. They are not merely bad scientists — they are crooks. And crooks who have perpetrated their crimes at the expense of British and U.S. taxpayers.
I am angry, and so should you be.
What have the mainstream news media said about the Climategate affair? Remarkably little. The few who have brought themselves to comment, through gritted teeth, have said that all of this is a storm in a teacup, and that their friends in the University of East Anglia and elsewhere in the climatological community are good people, really.
No, they’re not. They’re criminals. With Professor Fred Singer, who founded the U.S. Satellite Weather Service, I have reported them to the UK’s Information Commissioner, with a request that he investigate their offenses and, if thought fit, prosecute. But I won’t be holding my breath: In the police state that Britain has now sadly become, with supine news media largely owned and controlled by the government, the establishment tends to look after its own.
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