**READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**

Premiums + Deductibles + Co-pays

For the unemployed, and low and fixed income

If one doesn't pay the premiums OR the "opt-out" fines, then no coverage AND one becomes a criminal with up to a $25K additional fine and a potential jail sentence....all policed by the IRS (a private corporation)

( [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Yeah, the "Progressives" (cough) REALLY know how to take care of the less advantaged.

I hope everyone - irrespective of political bent and income - sees this for what it is:

A transfer of wealth and power from The People to the gov...

...and nothing to do with health care or assisting the financially less advantaged.

If the latter were their goals, then they would fix the current programs first and restructure the programs to include those not covered.

But they aren't. Ask yourself and your Senators: "Why not?"


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OH and for those as pissed off as i am about this bill, Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann has called for everyone who is able to show up and meet her on the steps of the Capitol this Thursday at high noon to confront everyone's congressmen and senators FACE TO FACE.. if you cannot come, she's encouraging everyone to show up at their congressmen's district offices to protest then, or at the very least call!!

OH and for those as pissed off as i am about this bill, Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann has called for everyone who is able to show up and meet her on the steps of the Capitol this Thursday at high noon to confront everyone's congressmen and senators FACE TO FACE.. if you cannot come, she's encouraging everyone to show up at their congressmen's district offices to protest then, or at the very least call!!



Remember, Remember, the 5th of November:

Michelle Bachman: Let's tell Pelosi what she can do with her Health Care Bill

Show Up in DC on November 5th to Stop the Criminal and Unconstitutional Healthcare!

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

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Primary objectives.

1) Further control of the nations wealth
2) Population control
3) Productivity management
4) Larger government
5) Weakening of the people
6) Disarm the population
7) KEEPING THEIR THROWN


Its all about defanging and reducing the population. Removing American's guns is also huge part of this. As soon as a certain individual doesn't go along with anything in the plan be it forced vaccinations, penalties, 'death with dginity', you will be labled a criminal. Once a criminal, your door can get busted down at any time and your home cleaned right out.

Then we have, "all politicians are exempt from the health care plan!

We should impeach and have them all arrested just for making politicians exempt alone!! WTF is that?? Since when are politicians some 'god-like' figure??? Most are nothing but crooks, liars, thieves, murderers, and spoiled lazy cowards!

I know what it was,...

THE BEST WAY FOR OBAMA AND EMANUEL TO ASSURE VOTES WENT THROUGH ON THIS WERE TO MAKE POLITICIANS EXEMPT! THAT IT! OBAMA SHOULD BE CAGED FOR THIS! SO SHOULD THE REST OF HIS CABINET!

Total obvlivion to the state of the economy, Saudi's dropping the dollar, pending crash being deliberately ignored, all they care about is keeping their thrown.

We shouldn't even be discussing the details of this oligarch marxist socialistic bullshit. We should be discussing what steps are needed for impeachment.

Not to worry, OP. Those crooks that are putting together the health care will be arrested very shortly. They are showing their true colors by what they are putting together.

It will be ok in the end.


It will be OK in the end, but the road getting there is gonna be rough...

On Page 252 is the table for the cost of this insurance if purchased by an individual. It is based on the Federal Poverty Level which is $10,830 for an individual in 2009 as an example. The "out of pocket cost" is then based on that and percentages over it that are gross adjusted income which includes interst and any other sources of income. This is for THE POOR who do not qualify for insurance under employer and is only for the most basic coverage the govt offers. There are two better plans but they cost more.

Then on Page 297 is the "tax" for not having insurance which is basically 2.5% of that same adjusted gross income but not to be more than the premiums would have been if one had paid them in the first place.


Page 59B of the IRS Code of 1986 sets up the IRS as Enforcer and basically this is what it says:

"TITLE III—SHARED RESPONSIBILITY

Subtitle A—Individual Responsibility

SEC. 301. INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY.

For an individual’s responsibility to obtain acceptable coverage, see section 59B of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (as added by section 401 of this Act).

SEC. 322. SATISFACTION OF HEALTH COVERAGE PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986.

(a) FAILURE TO ELECT, OR SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLY WITH, HEALTH COVERAGE PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS.—For employment tax on employers who fail to elect, or substantially comply with, the health coverage participation requirements described in part 1, see section 3111(c) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (as added by section 412 of this Act).

(b) OTHER FAILURES.—For excise tax on other failures of electing employers to comply with such requirements, see section 4980H of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (as added by section 411 of this Act).

TITLE IV—AMENDMENTS TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986

Subtitle A—Shared Responsibility

PART 1—INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY

SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

(a) IN GENERAL.—Subchapter A of chapter 1 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new part: ‘‘Subpart A—Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage ‘‘Sec. 59B. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage. ‘‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—

‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over

‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.


SEC. 6050X. RETURNS RELATING TO HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE.

‘‘(a) REQUIREMENT OF REPORTING.—Every person who provides acceptable coverage (as defined in section 59B(d)) to any individual during any calendar year shall, at such time as the Secretary may prescribe, make the return described in subsection (b) with respect to such individual.

‘‘(b) FORM AND MANNER OF RETURNS.—A return is described in this subsection if such return—

‘‘(1) is in such form as the Secretary may prescribe, and

‘‘(2) contains—

‘‘(A) the name, address, and TIN of the primary insured and the name of each other individual obtaining coverage under the policy,

‘‘(B) the period for which each such individual was provided with the coverage referred to in subsection (a), and

‘‘(C) such other information as the Secretary may require.

‘‘(c) STATEMENTS TO BE FURNISHED TO INDIVIDUALS WITH RESPECT TO WHOM INFORMATION IS REQUIRED.—Every person required to make a return under subsection (a) shall furnish to each primary insured whose name is required to be set forth in such return a written statement showing—

‘‘(1) the name and address of the person required to make such return and the phone number of the information contact for such person, and

‘‘(2) the information required to be shown on the return with respect to such individual. The written statement required under the preceding sentence shall be furnished on or before January 31 of the year following the calendar year for which the return under subsection (a) is required to be made."



So you will file a "return" to the IRS to prove you have insurance.

That's as far as I can go for now but do look at the chart on Page 252 to see that this can cost up to $2,000 a year for "the poor"!

Yep I looked at the chart on the NEW bill which is exactly the same as the chart on the previous bill. I have a relatives who makes around 35,000 a year married with 3 kids. They barely have enough money to put food on the table right now. Under the new bill they would have to pay 1,000 a year in premiums and then of course you have deductibles and co-pays. They would NEVER be able to afford to take there little kids to the doctor after paying that 1000 bucks. This is horrible. That 1,000 will also come straight from their kids mouths.

Yep I looked at the chart on the NEW bill which is exactly the same as the chart on the previous bill. I have a relatives who makes around 35,000 a year married with 3 kids. They barely have enough money to put food on the table right now. Under the new bill they would have to pay 1,000 a year in premiums and then of course you have deductibles and co-pays. They would NEVER be able to afford to take there little kids to the doctor after paying that 1000 bucks. This is horrible. That 1,000 will also come straight from their kids mouths.

oh and by the third year the premium is 3,0000 wtf???

Primary objectives.

1) Further control of the nations wealth
2) Population control
3) Productivity management
4) Larger government
5) Weakening of the people
6) Disarm the population
7) KEEPING THEIR THROWN


Its all about defanging and reducing the population. Removing American's guns is also huge part of this. As soon as a certain individual doesn't go along with anything in the plan be it forced vaccinations, penalties, 'death with dginity', you will be labled a criminal. Once a criminal, your door can get busted down at any time and your home cleaned right out.

Then we have, "all politicians are exempt from the health care plan!

We should impeach and have them all arrested just for making politicians exempt alone!! WTF is that?? Since when are politicians some 'god-like' figure??? Most are nothing but crooks, liars, thieves, murderers, and spoiled lazy cowards!

I know what it was,...

THE BEST WAY FOR OBAMA AND EMANUEL TO ASSURE VOTES WENT THROUGH ON THIS WERE TO MAKE POLITICIANS EXEMPT! THAT IT! OBAMA SHOULD BE CAGED FOR THIS! SO SHOULD THE REST OF HIS CABINET!

Total obvlivion to the state of the economy, Saudi's dropping the dollar, pending crash being deliberately ignored, all they care about is keeping their thrown.

We shouldn't even be discussing the details of this oligarch marxist socialistic bullshit. We should be discussing what steps are needed for impeachment.

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Bilderberg Wants Global Department Of Health, Global Treasury
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Saturday, May 16, 2009

Veteran investigative journalist Jim Tucker has uncovered Bilderberg’s 2009 agenda, which includes the plan for a global department of health, a global treasury and a shortened depression rather than a longer economic downturn.
Appearing on The Alex Jones Show, Tucker said that former Swedish Prime Minister and regular Bilderberg attendee Carl Bildt, “Made a speech advocating turning the World Health Organization into a world department of health, advocating turning the IMF into a world department of treasury, both of course under the auspices of the United Nations.”
Tucker noted that such moves would constitute giant steps toward the world government that Bilderberg has set about to achieve but has been frustrated in finalizing over the past 10 years.
Tucker said that Bilderberg are keen on stressing the problems caused by the economic crisis, as well as the threat of a disease pandemic, as a means of justifying centralization of power.

[link to www.infowars.com]

They lost me at aliens will be covered ....sorry. I read on the bill in BIG BOLD wording illegals are not covered... This kind of shit is what makes us look like idiots! The fucking bill is bad enough all on it's own without the lies. I think they are being sent out by the left to piss people off and make the mis- quote the bill thus making anything they say null!

The volume of money that will be channeled through the health care industry due to these government run programs(which always go way over budget) over the coming years will balloon costs and will contribute to even more waste and mismanagement. This health care bubble will eventually bust, and instead of like when the property and money/stock bubbles of the past bursted which caused many to lose their houses and investments, it will be the lives of many that will be lost.

The next step.....Before 2013, a new law will be passed, all resident aliens will be granted amnesty, and deemed to be legal citizens, thus entitling them to health care.

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lol

most decent people help the poor and the sick

some write letters wanting to not help the poor and the sick

lol- jesus would be proud
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We HELP AND FUND them now:

it's called Medicaid, Medicare and the VA.

If those programs are not covering the "poor and the sick", then adjust them so they will, FFS.

You don't purchase a new car because the one you currently own needs an oil filter. FIX WHAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THOSE WHO ARE NOT COVERED.

And leave freedom of choice for medical care in place!

Come on, AC, I invited you to debate this earlier. Pony up. Tell us your reasons you believe we should junk pile the current car because it only needs an oil filter.

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Page 261 deals with getting credit/health services that one does not have the correct credit to cover or a treatment etc that was wrongfully gained or outside the coverage...then one can be fined or be responsible or even additional penalties by health commissioner(mini me czar?)


if one owes(and they do not have it) then they can forego treatment in lieu of repaying the services they received that CZARmissioner decides you gained and shouldn't of or misrepresented(even if you did not) it is the big chEEse ca!!...so they(govt) get the funds back...

So medical treatment outside of the "allowed or covered" one can be fined, penalized even more according to the DICTATES of the king commissioner...like if ones income changed and they did not report in a timely fashion or inaccurate info_with this document it would be VERY EASY TO MAKE A MISTAKE AND THEIR WORD WILL BE LIKE THE MEDICAL COPS...


wonder if you cannot pay and have no treatment and still owe money if they will whip out the motivator cattle prod to induce one to pay...or a medically approved taser???


WTH!!! commissioner has "nonreviewable authority to reject or accept election..."

NONREVIEWABLE!!! no CHALLENGES...

OK, I just received this in an email but it is without attribution so we will just have to verify for ourselves.


This is what they say they have found in the bill so far:



I share this with all of you with concern, a reason and time for us to stand up and let our Representatives of the House and Congress know that we can not let this bill to pass. I am in favor of a better health system that can take care of our "Citizens" including the needy and elderly. Listed below are bullet points from the first 500 pages of the proposed bill they are trying to slam thru. This is not what America - The Land Of The Free stands for. My note is not political in favor of a particular party but for the well being of the Citizens of the United States of America.

Please do not sit back and assume you do not have a voice. Take action, do something, or we will all pay and feel the negative effects for years to come.

Contact your Representatives and let them know how you feel about this. We, as a country, cannot afford another 1000 page bill to go through congress without being read. Another 500 pages to go. I have highlighted a few of the items that are down right unconstitutional.

Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens.

Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
Page 167: Any individual who doesn't' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.

Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

I don't know about you

but I am sick over this.