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Who here is from europe? And...
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
 Sweden
10/20/2009 3:14 AM
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Where are you from? How does your country fair in the ongoing crisis? What are the big news in your country that connects to the crisis? Any interesting facts will do, or just a simple hello!
I myself am from Sweden, it seems that were doing pretty okay in the crisis. Our official unemployment is somewhere between 9 and 10% with around 2% being totally without anything to do. The other 8 or so percent of the unemployment are the chronic ill, students, on unemployment benefits etc etc.
But, Sweden is a small and export-dependent country so if shit hits the fan and the big economies start to crumble, so will we. Both SAAB and VOLVO, our car companies faced bankruptcy earlier this year but it seems that at least Volvo will make it thanks to investments from the Chinese. At least one of our major bank is also heavily exposed to the balkan countries and seem to be on the verge of collapse posting the biggest ever loss today.
Other then the car companies and the banks and their scandals in the balkan region our MSM pretty much talk a lot about nothing as far as i can tell. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798346
 Austria
10/20/2009 3:38 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Hi
I am in Austria. Here there is no crisis, no scare, people have just a little less money in the pocket but their concerns is still about the TV flat screen.
There is no scare about swine flu here, hardly experienced and the swine flu shot will not be compulsory and with neither preservatives nor strengthening agent.
If my business would not have lost most of it's due to week exports, I would say it's business as usual but actually I don't care because I currently have no wish to work and am sleepy most of the time.
Official unemployment? I guess around 5%. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798346
Austria
10/20/2009 3:39 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
lost most of it's client I meant |
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 3:41 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Hi
I am in Austria. Here there is no crisis, no scare, people have just a little less money in the pocket but their concerns is still about the TV flat screen.
There is no scare about swine flu here, hardly experienced and the swine flu shot will not be compulsory and with neither preservatives nor strengthening agent.
If my business would not have lost most of it's due to week exports, I would say it's business as usual but actually I don't care because I currently have no wish to work and am sleepy most of the time.
Official unemployment? I guess around 5%. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798346
It's all blue skies and green fields in Europe eh? :] So how did you end up on GLP if i may ask and how long have you been around? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798350
 Norway
10/20/2009 3:48 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Croatia. We are goin' down. Our prime minister run away. :) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798346
Austria
10/20/2009 3:50 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
I ended on GLP because Candace threads were most talked about on German forums, from her website ended there. Now I like having new threads every couple of minutes, there is much to read when nothing else to do. I also find it fascinating.
German thread is much reflecting GLP, translating many of the channelings but since I would have to register there and I don't here, I answer there. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798346
Austria
10/20/2009 3:52 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
How long I have been there? I think I had been on and off between the two forums in May, ditched most of the German forum where I get the infos here first sometimes in Junes.
Furthermore, Aliens are not watching the German forum, it's not that fun. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798330
Sweden
10/20/2009 3:54 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Where are you from? How does your country fair in the ongoing crisis? What are the big news in your country that connects to the crisis? Any interesting facts will do, or just a simple hello!
I myself am from Sweden, it seems that were doing pretty okay in the crisis. Our official unemployment is somewhere between 9 and 10% with around 2% being totally without anything to do. The other 8 or so percent of the unemployment are the chronic ill, students, on unemployment benefits etc etc.
But, Sweden is a small and export-dependent country so if shit hits the fan and the big economies start to crumble, so will we. Both SAAB and VOLVO, our car companies faced bankruptcy earlier this year but it seems that at least Volvo will make it thanks to investments from the Chinese. At least one of our major bank is also heavily exposed to the balkan countries and seem to be on the verge of collapse posting the biggest ever loss today.
Other then the car companies and the banks and their scandals in the balkan region our MSM pretty much talk a lot about nothing as far as i can tell. Quoting: Harmonics
A quarter of the youngsters have no job. Lots of immigrants.
In the suburbs 50-90% without jobs. Lots of immigrants.
Huge shortage of doctors and so on. Lots of nursing personal in hospitals etc sacked.
However, too many people in office jobs (PTB-jobs)
Growing criminality. Growing protests from the suburbs.
(attacking police, firemen and putting cars, schools and shops on fire)
Schools give too high figures to the (mostly immigrant) students.
Everywhere we see the degeneration and it will have its consequences.
I think as well the balance is poor, and the futur does not look bright.
New values have to be developped. |
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 4:03 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
A quarter of the youngsters have no job. Lots of immigrants.
In the suburbs 50-90% without jobs. Lots of immigrants.
Huge shortage of doctors and so on. Lots of nursing personal in hospitals etc sacked.
However, too many people in office jobs (PTB-jobs)
Growing criminality. Growing protests from the suburbs.
(attacking police, firemen and putting cars, schools and shops on fire)
Schools give too high figures to the (mostly immigrant) students.
Everywhere we see the degeneration and it will have its consequences.
I think as well the balance is poor, and the futur does not look bright.
New values have to be developped. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798330
Can it be, a fellow Swede?
I have a very subtle feeling that Sweden is following the footsteps of the U.S, degenerating education, exporting our production and moving to overhead/office jobs, suburbs getting the long end of the stick. Can you feel it too? or am i just imagining? |
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 4:04 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Croatia. We are goin' down. Our prime minister run away. :) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798350
Going down? How? How does the common man feel/Experince it? Share your doom with us! |
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El Tigre
User ID: 540686
 Netherlands
10/20/2009 4:06 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
I´m from the Netherlands, people are feeling the crisis but are not worried, a bank went bankrupt this week, all the news is on that (mismanagement).
I lost my job too I´m trying to get another job but it is hard to get a good job in the ICT industry even if you have experience and all the right certificates. It´s slim pickings for a Linux Engineer. There are some jobs but I would have to move to anotherpart of the country and no job garantuee. Fortunatly I saved up (with the right bank) for just such an occasion. |
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 4:07 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
How long I have been there? I think I had been on and off between the two forums in May, ditched most of the German forum where I get the infos here first sometimes in Junes.
Furthermore, Aliens are not watching the German forum, it's not that fun. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798346
I'm not fully convinced of Aliens so far, or rather, that Aliens write and read on GLP and/or interact with secret societies/governments. :] But anything is possible! |
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Texas Uncensored 
User ID: 798105
 United States
10/20/2009 4:14 AM
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 4:14 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
I´m from the Netherlands, people are feeling the crisis but are not worried, a bank went bankrupt this week, all the news is on that (mismanagement).
I lost my job too I´m trying to get another job but it is hard to get a good job in the ICT industry even if you have experience and all the right certificates. It´s slim pickings for a Linux Engineer. There are some jobs but I would have to move to anotherpart of the country and no job garantuee. Fortunatly I saved up (with the right bank) for just such an occasion. Quoting: El Tigre 540686
Yeah i read about that bank on GLP, was it a major player in your country?
Maybe you should think about broadening your knowledge base a bit? Linux Engineer sounds very thin, i thought Linux was constantly bleeding, loosing ground? even on the server side? |
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 4:16 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Quoting: Texas Uncensored
Somehow that is eerily encouraging to keep this thread alive.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798346
Austria
10/20/2009 4:33 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
How long I have been there? I think I had been on and off between the two forums in May, ditched most of the German forum where I get the infos here first sometimes in Junes.
Furthermore, Aliens are not watching the German forum, it's not that fun.
I'm not fully convinced of Aliens so far, or rather, that Aliens write and read on GLP and/or interact with secret societies/governments. :] But anything is possible! Quoting: Harmonics
Whether I am convinced that they are aliens or not is not an issue. Here they are responding to my posts in channelings or awkwards posting. If I post this on the German forum, I would not even have an answer in 10 years although we would really DIE to get an answer there - there are so many people frustrated that the GLF is only putting its interest on America and ignoring Europe. |
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 4:39 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Whether I am convinced that they are aliens or not is not an issue. Here they are responding to my posts in channelings or awkwards posting. If I post this on the German forum, I would not even have an answer in 10 years although we would really DIE to get an answer there - there are so many people frustrated that the GLF is only putting its interest on America and ignoring Europe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798346
I understand. My only frustration with GLP is that the likelihood of me ever running into a GLP:er is minimal. It saddens me because I'd love to talk to one over a few beers, or a coffee or sumtin :] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798346
Austria
10/20/2009 4:51 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
The likelihood of ever running in a spiritual and not catholic religious in my area is more than minimal.
We are not their target, so I live with it.
I have yet to see the first message of any UFO over Austria. |
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Texas Uncensored
User ID: 798105
United States
10/20/2009 4:53 AM
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Funney
User ID: 78211
 Czech Republic
10/20/2009 5:00 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Hello from Czech republic !
Beer prices are rising up here, but
it will szrely not prevent us from drinking it.
So we work a little more, to have the same standart as before this stagged 3d crysis game :)
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mikkel
User ID: 627135
 Poland
10/20/2009 5:04 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
It would be ok now in Poland, hadn't it been for the incompetent government which spends money like crazy on least useful stuff like subsidizing social insurance for lazy farmers and as a result deficit is soaring. We still have positive GDP growth rate, but its no surprise when youre building several stadiums and many stretches of highways at the same time, the sheer volume of these investments is holding up the economy. And, well, shopping centres are as packed as never before, nobody's thinking about saving or stopping spending, not at all. Actually I don't remember another year in my life when I bought more stuff than this year and its not over yet :D |
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dcdaveclarke
User ID: 797613
 Ireland
10/20/2009 5:07 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Im an old hippie in the West of Ireland! an i could'n give a shit about Irish politics! they bought the crap like every other Country in Europe or the World for that mater! 
I am me as you are me an we are all together! |
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mikkel
User ID: 627135
Poland
10/20/2009 5:08 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Basically, here, the crisis is just an excuse for companies to make us work harder for less |
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 5:08 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
The likelihood of ever running in a spiritual and not catholic religious in my area is more than minimal.
We are not their target, so I live with it.
I have yet to see the first message of any UFO over Austria. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798346
Yeah they are rare here too but I've run into a few through the years, but they are mostly New Agers and sometimes there's just to much drugs involved and to little "science" for me to truly sync with them. I Have one friend though, He's more of a historian then a spiritual type but he's open to weirdness and different views on things and so we get along somehow. It's nice to pick his brain :]
But i think the general public is pretty much the same everywhere in the western world. It's not about truths, Ufos, high strangeness, quantum physics and fractal universes. Nah, to the general public that's just for nerds and high intellectuals, that i think are still viewed as weirdos and abnormal people. The public is much to busy watching some shitty soap opera on the tele than entertaining and expanding their consciousness with knowledge. And it was like that during rome, with the gladiator games, not much have changed really since then, we've just become really good at refining our surroundings into gadgets and trinkets that make life easier, same old crap, different package! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 751162
Netherlands
10/20/2009 5:11 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Netherlands.
the recession feels the warm silence before a storm.
without the storm.
sadly I lost my job, trying to find an other income source.
we will see. what the future brings. |
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 5:18 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
It would be ok now in Poland, hadn't it been for the incompetent government which spends money like crazy on least useful stuff like subsidizing social insurance for lazy farmers and as a result deficit is soaring. We still have positive GDP growth rate, but its no surprise when youre building several stadiums and many stretches of highways at the same time, the sheer volume of these investments is holding up the economy. And, well, shopping centres are as packed as never before, nobody's thinking about saving or stopping spending, not at all. Actually I don't remember another year in my life when I bought more stuff than this year and its not over yet :D Quoting: mikkel 627135
I'm actually born in poland and still have relatives there and what i heard was that the crisis is notable there but you seem to tell a different story. I visited there 2 years ago and my general feeling then was that, sure, you can see amazing progress but at the same time it seemed to me that the gap between the poor and rich was growing and it seemed like a middle class was close to none existent there?
Do you know a lot about the movement solidarity in poland a few decades ago? I'm curious about the reasons why it grew so strong? |
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 5:19 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Im an old hippie in the West of Ireland! an i could'n give a shit about Irish politics! they bought the crap like every other Country in Europe or the World for that mater!
Not caring about politics is a choice and right! But a question arises, what do you care about? |
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Harmonics
User ID: 785973
Sweden
10/20/2009 5:24 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
You're welcome! Texas is it's own planet you know.
Seriously, I hope you guys all fare well through this. Your accounts sound much like things are here. We're all in this together.
Take care, y'all.
Your statement of Texas being a planet reminds me of Fry from Futurama :]
I think most people on GLP will fare better then common sheep on the street, when the shit hits the fan we wont panic, nah, we'll be running around pointing fingers at people saying: I TOLD YOU SO! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798369
United States
10/20/2009 5:35 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
A quarter of the youngsters have no job. Lots of immigrants.
In the suburbs 50-90% without jobs. Lots of immigrants.
Huge shortage of doctors and so on. Lots of nursing personal in hospitals etc sacked.
However, too many people in office jobs (PTB-jobs)
Growing criminality. Growing protests from the suburbs.
(attacking police, firemen and putting cars, schools and shops on fire)
Schools give too high figures to the (mostly immigrant) students.
Everywhere we see the degeneration and it will have its consequences.
I think as well the balance is poor, and the futur does not look bright.
New values have to be developped.
Can it be, a fellow Swede?
I have a very subtle feeling that Sweden is following the footsteps of the U.S, degenerating education, exporting our production and moving to overhead/office jobs, suburbs getting the long end of the stick. Can you feel it too? or am i just imagining? Quoting: Harmonics
I have to wonder why the US and European countries have been flooded with third world poor immigrants who have such different cultures and values.
African immigrants are now being imported to Anchorage, Alaska. It makes no sense at all, for one thing there is too little sun this far north for dark-skinned people to thrive, they can get little if any vitamin D from our weak sun.
The US in general is being over-run with immigrants, especially Mexicans, though I hear many Mexicans immigrants are now trying to return to Mexico! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798379
United States
10/20/2009 5:41 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
Hi
I am in Austria. Here there is no crisis, no scare, people have just a little less money in the pocket but their concerns is still about the TV flat screen.
There is no scare about swine flu here, hardly experienced and the swine flu shot will not be compulsory and with neither preservatives nor strengthening agent.
If my business would not have lost most of it's due to week exports, I would say it's business as usual but actually I don't care because I currently have no wish to work and am sleepy most of the time.
Official unemployment? I guess around 5%. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798346
My mother is Austrian, she just had a birthday and oddly wrote me that she just bought herself a flat screen tv. This does seem to be a big deal to her.
I love Austria, I have many relatives there and have visited a few times since I was a child. |
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mikkel
User ID: 627135
Poland
10/20/2009 5:41 AM | | Re: Who here is from europe? And... | Quote |
It would be ok now in Poland, hadn't it been for the incompetent government which spends money like crazy on least useful stuff like subsidizing social insurance for lazy farmers and as a result deficit is soaring. We still have positive GDP growth rate, but its no surprise when youre building several stadiums and many stretches of highways at the same time, the sheer volume of these investments is holding up the economy. And, well, shopping centres are as packed as never before, nobody's thinking about saving or stopping spending, not at all. Actually I don't remember another year in my life when I bought more stuff than this year and its not over yet :D
I'm actually born in poland and still have relatives there and what i heard was that the crisis is notable there but you seem to tell a different story. I visited there 2 years ago and my general feeling then was that, sure, you can see amazing progress but at the same time it seemed to me that the gap between the poor and rich was growing and it seemed like a middle class was close to none existent there?
Do you know a lot about the movement solidarity in poland a few decades ago? I'm curious about the reasons why it grew so strong? Quoting: Harmonics
Obviously, the industry is suffering, but at the same a lot of services jobs are outsourced to Poland. I can only talk about the situation from the perspective of the capital, which has something like an under 5 pct unemployment rate compared to the national unemployment of almost 11 pct.
But, yes, it is just enough to drive 20 km out of the city and find yourself in a very poor area. Generally, yes, the development here is uneven, but it depends very much on local governments rather than on the general state of the economy.
You can drive through a nice, clean town and just a few kilometers down the road find yourself in a completely ruined, dirty place.
Companies have been cutting costs, reducing benefits and all that, but still people here have been through much worse. Now it is nothing compared to early 90's, when whole sectors of industry were shut down.
Obviously we cannot go long without any demand from abroad, but there is so much domestic demand here and so much need for infrastructural investments, that this economy can go on. In terms of durable consumer goods, home appliances, electronics, cars, etc. our market is faaar from being saturated unlike Western European markets
I'm just afraid in the coming years we'll be dragged down by ballooning deficit which unfortunately may mean even higher tax burden |
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