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I did not write the following list but it is pretty comprehensive in regards to gear.
First Line Gear is the stuff that you want with you no matter what. Lets say you were doing a river crossing, and you lost for footing. Guess what, you will ditch your ruck, your rifle and your LBE/LBV so you can swim to shore.
Or you are on the run, and have already ditched your ruck and since you are out of ammo you have ditched your rifle and LBE/LBV. You know, run away and live to fight another day. And this stuff DOES happen. So plan for the contigency.
SO....1st Line Gear:
Compass (Silva Ranger Type or Lensatic)
Map of AO (factory folds, laminated, no additional marking - so if you lose it, it does not TOTALLY compromise the mission)
Small Red LED flashlight (the Micro lights work for this - this is to read the map with at night)
Riggers Belt
Watch (waterproof)
Swiss Army Knife/Multitool
BFK on Drop Sheath
Strong Side Drop Holster
Side Arm
1 Spare Mag for Side Arm
Water holder (small canteen - I use a collaspable 'Platypus' 1 liter container)
Small First Aid Kit
* Band Aids
* Small Tube of Neosporin
* Couple Asprins/Motrin
* Compress/Tampons
Small Survival Kit
* Fish Hooks
* Fishing line
* Sinkers
* Fire starter (flint/steel/etc.)
* Packets of Top Ramen Mix WITHOUT NOODLES
* Snare Making Material (64 gauge brass wire)"
* Empty film canister full of dryer lint
* Water Purification Tabs
550 cord on Boonie Hat (25') Here is a link on 'how to daisy chain 550 cord' ( [link to www.imagestation.com]
Blast Match
Flight Gloves
'Do Rag' (USGI Triangular OD Bandage worn 'bandit style' around neck)
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TOTAL WEIGHT OF 1st LINE GEAR IS 9 POUNDS!ALL of this stuff is carried on YOU. In your pockets, on your belt, etc. NOT IN YOUR BVE/LBV or RUCK!!
Remember to 'dummy cord' everything to your body, so when you need it, it is still there (not 6 miles back for the enemy to find and use).
With these items you can literally survive to fight another day. Without them, your survival odds just turned against you.
Now my 'list' may vary somewhat from yours depending on AO's and our different needs, but this list is a good guidline to start from.
I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free.
- Nikos Kazantzakis
"Before all else, be armed."
Niccolo Machiavelli
"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them. Disagree with them. Glorify, or villify them. But the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."-Jack Kerouac
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Next up is 2nd Line Gear.
Well, 2nd Line Gear is your 'FIGHTING GEAR'. So, here is my list of 2nd Line Gear:
LBV
Fighting Rifle
* Bushmaster M4gery
* Bushmaster Dissapator
* AKM
* FN-FAL
Magazines
* AR - 12 30 round mags
* FN - 8 20 round mags
* AK - 8 30 rounds mags
1 20 round mag of tracer (5.56mm when carrying Bushmaster)
GPS
Emergency Flares
Smoke Generator - White
Bug Repellent
Carabiner
20' of 1" OD nylon tubing (for expedient rappel harness) ( [link to www.awrm.org] )
Camo Pack (for face, neck and hands/arms)
FRS communication device
AA Batteries
* On a 'per day basis'
* 2 for the GPS
* 6 for the FRS
* 2 for PVS-14
CR-1/3N Battery
[list]
* On a 'per week basis'
* 1 for Aimpoint
Weapon Cleaning Gear
* Rod/Pull Through
* Bore Brush
* Chamber Brush
* Patches
* CLP
Day/Night Flare
Water Bladder (Platypus Hoser 3 Liter)
Water Purification Tabs
550 Cord - 20 feet
OPTIONAL - Binos
Hearing Protection
Red Lense Flashlight (Mini-Mag or my personal favorite the plycarbonite Pelican AA model, weighs about 1/2 what the Mini-Mag does)
And in the Butt Pack:
Poncho Liner - Woodland Camo USGI
Poncho - Woodland Camo USGI
Stripped MRE's (approx 3)
First Aid Kit
* Gauze Bandages
* Mil-Compress
* 2 Suture Kits
* Motrin
* Lomotil
* Burn Cream
* Q-tips
* 2 packets of USGI 'Sodium Cloride - Sodium Bicarbonate'
Snake Bite Kit
Canteen USGI
Canteen Cup USGI
Canteen Cup Stove USGI
Canteen Carrier w/ Water Tabs USGI
4 Trioxane Tabs
With the above mentioned load - one is able to live and fight for a 1-2 day period without resupply.
REMEMBER TO DUMMY CORD ANY ITEMS TO YOUR LBV!
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TOTAL WEIGHT OF 1st AND 2nd LINE GEAR IS:
* WITH M4gery w/ 12 + 1 mags (390 rds)- 56 pounds
* WITH DISSAPATOR w/ 12 + 1 mags (390 rds) - 57 pounds
* WITH AKM w/ 8 + 1 mags (270 rds) - 59 pounds
* WITH FN w/ 8 + 1 mags (180 rds) - 60 pounds
I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free.
- Nikos Kazantzakis
"Before all else, be armed."
Niccolo Machiavelli
"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them. Disagree with them. Glorify, or villify them. But the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."-Jack Kerouac
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Next up is 'Light' 3rd Line Gear.
OK, with 3rd Line Gear (Heavy) - we mean you need to live out of your ruck for up to two weeks, or it is winter and you must carry more gear. This load out that I have here is for a winter scenario that lasts for 8 days or so.
Again, this is *my* list and your may vary from it.
This fits in my Eagle Large Becker, but will also work with the Large ALICE pack.
So...here goes for 3rd Line (Heavy)
4 10' lengths of OD bungee cord
20' of 550 cord
2 Liter Water carrier (civy wide mouth canteen)
Water Bladder Camelback Storm in Ruck
Water Purifier (I use a 'Pur Hiker')
Sleeping Bag (I use a Wiggy's Winter Bag - UltraLight in OD)
Sleeping Pad Thermarest
Bivy Shelter (I use a Sierra Designs - Light Year CD - it works great as a cold weather bivy)
4 pair of socks USGI OD
2 set of cammies (top and bottom)
2 OD Tee Shirts
8 MRE's - Stripped
6 packets of Top Ramen with Noodles
Gore Tex Rain Suit Top and Bottom
1 Packet of 'Bum Wipes' (Baby Wipes) UNSCENTED!
Small tooth brush NO TOOTH PASTE!
AA Batteries 24 pack
Extra Ammo in bandoleers
2 Pair Thermal Underwear (Thermax/Polypro,etc.)
Winter Gloves
Sleep Hat USGI OD
4 pair Thermo Socks
Snow Camo (I use West German Top and Bottom Over Garments)
TOTAL WEIGHT OF 1st, 2nd and 3rd LINE (Heavy) GEAR IS:
* WITH M4gery w/ 12 + 1 mags and 2 140 rd bando (670 rds)- 106 pounds
* WITH DISSAPATOR w/ 12 + 1 mags and 2 140 rd bando (670 rds) - 107 pounds
* WITH AKM w/ 8 + 1 mags and 280 rds boxed (550 rds) - 111 pounds
* WITH FN w/ 8 + 1 mags and 2 100 rd bandos (380 rds) - 108 pounds
This is a large load, and unless one is in good shape, it will overburden one to the point of exhaustion in short order. So...HIT THE GYM!
I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free.
- Nikos Kazantzakis
"Before all else, be armed."
Niccolo Machiavelli
"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them. Disagree with them. Glorify, or villify them. But the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."-Jack Kerouac
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| Anonymous Coward
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11/2/2008 7:47 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
Tire Iron kicks ass |
| Apocalypse Troll 
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11/2/2008 7:51 PM
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Only thing I would add to the third line gear is slim jim set. lock picks, and waterproofed usb drive with a live disk and associated penetration kit/tools on it.
We don't just fight with guns. |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
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11/2/2008 7:52 PM
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Sweet!
Great info. 5* |
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Tire Iron kicks ass Quoting: Anonymous Coward 541145
I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free.
- Nikos Kazantzakis
"Before all else, be armed."
Niccolo Machiavelli
"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them. Disagree with them. Glorify, or villify them. But the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."-Jack Kerouac
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| malu
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11/2/2008 7:58 PM
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exactly what i was looking for
i also set my gear up, in three layers, i have a riggers belt with a couple of leg rigs, and the ability to add my butt pack from my main LBE/vest
i have the CFP90 pack, that i can still harness up over my vest and other gear, mostly winter gear like yourself
i have two things left i need to get, a good multi purpose leg rig knife sheath that can hold a stone and small survival kit, and a melon protector, we have to wear them on night rescues along with a headlamp and eye protection, but even in other situations i want to protect my head, not going to stop any bullets, but its better than nothing
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| malu
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11/2/2008 7:59 PM
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Only thing I would add to the third line gear is slim jim set. lock picks, and waterproofed usb drive with a live disk and associated penetration kit/tools on it.
We don't just fight with guns. Quoting: Apocalypse Troll
i have the set, will do most locks
not following the drive live disk? can you explain further
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| Apocalypse Troll
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11/2/2008 8:06 PM
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not following the drive live disk? can you explain further Quoting: malu
Here you go:
[link to www.frozentech.com]
You can use these images on a usb drive to compromise almost any system, if you know how to use the tools.
If the system in question will boot to a usb drive, great. If not, you will have more work ahead of you.
Malu - did I show you what I recently built?::
[link to www.box.net] |
| malu
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11/2/2008 8:10 PM
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not following the drive live disk? can you explain further
Here you go:
[ link to www.frozentech.com]
You can use these images on a usb drive to compromise almost any system, if you know how to use the tools.
If the system in question will boot to a usb drive, great. If not, you will have more work ahead of you.
Malu - did I show you what I recently built?::
[ link to www.box.net]
lmao,, that is f*cking sweet! i was looking at something just like it last weekend at the gun show, had the breeching muzzle break, need a pistol permit to get it, soon i hope
i will have some studying to do with that other link, thanks man
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/2/2008 8:58 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
What planet are you people living on ? If things get so bad, that people will need these things to survive, its all over. Your parachute cord and AR15s are not gonna be any match for the governemnts tanks, humvees and agents with body armor. Stop watching stupid hollywood movies. Rambo isnt real and is totally inapplicable to 99.999% of our society. |
| Enigma
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11/2/2008 9:07 PM
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Only thing I would add to the third line gear is slim jim set. lock picks, and waterproofed usb drive with a live disk and associated penetration kit/tools on it.
We don't just fight with guns. Quoting: Apocalypse Troll
I would add some Hiram's Boot CD's and some boot floppies to reset root and Administrator passwords from the console...
a Cisco kit to console into a router/switch can also be VERY useful...
if you are a MAC guy, also have a USB disk with bootable OS images so you can Target boot the server or the laptop...
enigma
ps might even have a few disruptive trojans there to create havoc and to throw off your trail..
you know things that try and contact some non-existent server in Korea or
china...
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| Enigma
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11/2/2008 9:12 PM
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Only thing I would add to the third line gear is slim jim set. lock picks, and waterproofed usb drive with a live disk and associated penetration kit/tools on it.
We don't just fight with guns.
i have the set, will do most locks
not following the drive live disk? can you explain further Quoting: malu
dont forget the bolt cutters and parachute flares for night blinding of night vision gear
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/2/2008 9:16 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
Only thing I would add to the third line gear is slim jim set. lock picks, and waterproofed usb drive with a live disk and associated penetration kit/tools on it.
We don't just fight with guns.
i have the set, will do most locks
not following the drive live disk? can you explain further
dont forget the bolt cutters and parachute flares for night blinding of night vision gear Quoting: Enigma
LOLOLOL...
Yeah......and also make sure you have your flamethrowers and anti gravity machines packed snugly in your bugout bag...
LOLOL...
What a hollywood movie of dreamers we have here ! |
| Frigg Stuyvesant
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11/2/2008 9:26 PM
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LOLOLOL...
Yeah......and also make sure you have your flamethrowers and anti gravity machines packed snugly in your bugout bag...
LOLOL...
What a hollywood movie of dreamers we have here ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 541002
Why you gotta be a Fuknut? |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/2/2008 9:26 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
Only thing I would add to the third line gear is slim jim set. lock picks, and waterproofed usb drive with a live disk and associated penetration kit/tools on it.
We don't just fight with guns.
i have the set, will do most locks
not following the drive live disk? can you explain further Quoting: malu
Malu, I linked from another threat to this one, so I don't know if you'll see this one.
My point is that lock picking is not so hard for many.....keyed locks give a false sense of security IMO. Slide bolting locks, and other physical barriers should be relied upon.
I work at a place that is supposedly secured, but I was able to pick the main front door lock within 3 minutes....Most people don't realize that master locks make it easier.
No, I'm not a criminal, but a future Freedom Fighter. |
| malu
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11/2/2008 10:01 PM
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Only thing I would add to the third line gear is slim jim set. lock picks, and waterproofed usb drive with a live disk and associated penetration kit/tools on it.
We don't just fight with guns.
i have the set, will do most locks
not following the drive live disk? can you explain further
Malu, I linked from another threat to this one, so I don't know if you'll see this one.
My point is that lock picking is not so hard for many.....keyed locks give a false sense of security IMO. Slide bolting locks, and other physical barriers should be relied upon.
I work at a place that is supposedly secured, but I was able to pick the main front door lock within 3 minutes....Most people don't realize that master locks make it easier.
No, I'm not a criminal, but a future Freedom Fighter. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 534292
do you have a link that explains what he was talking about? cuz i don't have a clue
bolt cutters are a very handy tool, stick someones finger in one and you can learn all kinds of things i am sure
when i used to install hardwood flooring, if i showed up to do a job, and no one was home, i got in, every time
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| MD
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11/3/2008 1:56 AM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
Only thing I would add to the third line gear is slim jim set. lock picks, and waterproofed usb drive with a live disk and associated penetration kit/tools on it.
We don't just fight with guns.
i have the set, will do most locks
not following the drive live disk? can you explain further
Malu, I linked from another threat to this one, so I don't know if you'll see this one.
My point is that lock picking is not so hard for many.....keyed locks give a false sense of security IMO. Slide bolting locks, and other physical barriers should be relied upon.
I work at a place that is supposedly secured, but I was able to pick the main front door lock within 3 minutes....Most people don't realize that master locks make it easier.
No, I'm not a criminal, but a future Freedom Fighter.
do you have a link that explains what he was talking about? cuz i don't have a clue
bolt cutters are a very handy tool, stick someones finger in one and you can learn all kinds of things i am sure
when i used to install hardwood flooring, if i showed up to do a job, and no one was home, i got in, every time Quoting: malu
If it is the USB drive unit that you are asking about I see why.
What it is:
Creating a totally bootable/useable operating system on a removable medium that is light, needs not external power and can be loaded with the needed tools to take over/infiltrate a computer system that you may need to access.
Here is why, the #1 rule of computers is this, I don't give a shit about how much security software you purchased, if I can gain PHYSICAL access to YOUR computer, I can do whatever I want to it and gain access to ANY information you wanted to keep secret.
With USB drives being so inexpensive and in large capacities, it would be easy to use one and install a modular O/S like one of the Linux Distros on it that you could also load up with a shitload of portable tools like decrypters and password crackers. See, the majority of newer hardware supports booting up from a USB device like a jump-drive and that is what this does for you, gets you access to a computer to possibly get useful information out of it. The modern combatant no longer uses just pen and paper, just look at the laptops in the caves that were found regarding the war on terror. The one link was to a list of alternative O/S that can be used in a function like this.
Mike |
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| Frigg Stuyvesant
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| Enigma
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5/14/2009 1:25 AM
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Only thing I would add to the third line gear is slim jim set. lock picks, and waterproofed usb drive with a live disk and associated penetration kit/tools on it.
We don't just fight with guns.
i have the set, will do most locks
not following the drive live disk? can you explain further
Malu, I linked from another threat to this one, so I don't know if you'll see this one.
My point is that lock picking is not so hard for many.....keyed locks give a false sense of security IMO. Slide bolting locks, and other physical barriers should be relied upon.
I work at a place that is supposedly secured, but I was able to pick the main front door lock within 3 minutes....Most people don't realize that master locks make it easier.
No, I'm not a criminal, but a future Freedom Fighter.
do you have a link that explains what he was talking about? cuz i don't have a clue
bolt cutters are a very handy tool, stick someones finger in one and you can learn all kinds of things i am sure
when i used to install hardwood flooring, if i showed up to do a job, and no one was home, i got in, every time
If it is the USB drive unit that you are asking about I see why.
What it is:
Creating a totally bootable/useable operating system on a removable medium that is light, needs not external power and can be loaded with the needed tools to take over/infiltrate a computer system that you may need to access.
Here is why, the #1 rule of computers is this, I don't give a shit about how much security software you purchased, if I can gain PHYSICAL access to YOUR computer, I can do whatever I want to it and gain access to ANY information you wanted to keep secret.
With USB drives being so inexpensive and in large capacities, it would be easy to use one and install a modular O/S like one of the Linux Distros on it that you could also load up with a shitload of portable tools like decrypters and password crackers. See, the majority of newer hardware supports booting up from a USB device like a jump-drive and that is what this does for you, gets you access to a computer to possibly get useful information out of it. The modern combatant no longer uses just pen and paper, just look at the laptops in the caves that were found regarding the war on terror. The one link was to a list of alternative O/S that can be used in a function like this.
Mike Quoting: MD 353953
i see mike you know a bit about what you speak... i am the MOST DANGEROUS computer human on this side of the planet...
if I can touch the console and reboot the machine, GAME OVER...
See I was chief security office of an unamed internet company for a long time, and also a member of a super secret underground hacking guild in the early nineties...
let's just say I NEVER got caught...
but i still know my SHIT... the government came and asked MY OPINION in the days after 911...
I got serious mojo...
Last Edited by Enigma on 5/14/2009 at 1:26 AM
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| Anonymous Coward
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for an awesome post. Thanks Trench! |
| Got Questions?
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5/14/2009 4:13 AM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
This is a great classic thread, and the list reminds me of the old packing list of Vietnam-era SF units. Good stuff, and very similar to my tastes. Thanks Frigg for resurrecting this thread.
Everyone has their opinion about gear. Here are a few comments & ideas to add to the mix. I too vouch for the layers concept for carrying gear. So in essence, a BoB begins with what's in your pocket, then works out from there.
Here are my suggested layers:
1. Clothes- & things carried in the pockets, dog tags, boots, etc.
2. Load Bearing Vest (LBV)- with lots of filled pouches. This is where one begins to carry the heavy stuff like water & ammo.
3. Patrol Pack- This is my equivalent of an overnight bag: a small backpack with just enough goodies in it for a day & night in the woods. A large butt-pack can work too.
4. Rucksack- this is where the bulk of items are carried, such as food, water, shelter, etc. This is what most commonly is referred to as a Bug-out Bag. But it's really just 1 component of the layered system.
5. Existence Kit- this kit just gives me my extras of everything I have listed above. It also contains some more advanced and weighty medical gear.
6. Bug-out Vehicle- this can be an extension of your BoB. If you have the room, load it up. In addition to a vehicle survival kit, you should have a large first-aid or trauma kit, extra food, water, shelter, fuel, etc. Load stuff here that's too heavy to haul on your back.
Of course, you have to tailor your bug-out appearance to fit the situation. If you expect run-ins with official types, hide the camo & LBV, etc. True camo takes all this into consideration. Blend into whatever background you find yourself likely to be in.
I know you didn't write this nice list Trench, but I'll critique it just a bit anyway.
1st line: (24hr) Clothes
I don't like drop holsters & drop sheathes as they block my cargo pocket. I like my cargo pockets. I prefer a shoulder holster for the pistol & putting the BFK on my belt.Just make sure it doesn't interfere with your LBV.
I like the 1 liter Platypus collapsible bladder idea on your person, if it'll fit easily in a cargo pocket. Right now, I'm just using zip-lok baggies for my backup emergency make-shift water containers. They don't travel though, like a bladder will.
First Aid Kit:
Band Aids- I don't care for them too much as they never stay on. I prefer stopping the bleeding & then wrap sports tape as it stays on much better. If the wound is bigger, then I dress it better.
I'm not a big fan of Neosporin. I've heard it really doesn't help that much, if at all with accelerated healing, and that's all it really claims to do. If I need to put something on a wound to keep it from getting infected, I'll use a home-made sugardyne solution.
I love and have used the .mil compress dressings. Everyone should have some. The new ones sometimes contain nifty coagulants. Just remember that if you use coagulant powder, someone's gotta scrape it all out eventually.
I'd rather use maxi-pads than tampons, although my medicine chest contains both. The pads seem more useful, and are much cheaper than large dressings.
Add a micro-solar blanket, especially in cold weather. Green-color backed solar blankets are good vs. PIRs & thermal imagers/FLIRs too.
Butterfly bandages will help hold a wound together until it can be cleaned & sutured.
Survival Kit:
Fishing Kit: I'd add small swivels to keep the line from getting too twisted.
I'm a fan of magnesium sticks over just flint & steel as a backup fire-starter. I always carry a lighter around as a first line fire-starter.
A micro survival kit in a tin would be a good pocket item.
A small fresno lens or parabolic mirror can be a good backup fire-starter when it's sunny. Just remember that mirror can work against you.
I'm not sure about Top Ramen flavoring packets. They don't seem to have much too them beyond a lot of salt & concentrated flavoring. Too concentrated to consume without thinning it out in a liquid first. Perhaps individual Gatoraid packets (for 8oz to 16oz water bottles) would be more useful.
I just use heavy duty fishing line for snares, although they do make some with locking tabs to keep the noose cinched.
Dryer lint is good tinder. My girlfriend was kind enough to make up a batch of fire-starter cubes for us by combining dryer lint & candle wax into small cubes.
The 550' cord link is dead, btw.
And I'm not sure what a blast match is.
It's "Dew" rag, not "Do" rag, lol.
I whole-heartily agree with dummy-cording everything. If it's not tied down, it'll take a hike eventually. The same goes for rifle accessories.
Don't forget an allergy alert dog tag or wrist band if needed.
Regardless of whether you go camo or not, you need rugged utility clothes with good hiking boots.
If in sunny areas, bring along some sunglasses.
My multi-tool stays on my belt at all times.
Add some pens/pencils & a small notepad, extra cash, coins, pre-pair phone card, backup debit/credit card, Bug-out SOP's, backup pocket knife, etc.
A little pepper spray might help in case I need to use a little force, but not kill something, like a dog, etc.
Don't forget the most important of items: your toilet paper in a baggie!
2nd Line: (24hr) LBV w/butt-pack
I'm still not sure why people plan to bug-out with emergency flares. If I'm going hiking/camping, then perhaps I'll take some.
Smoke grenades are legal (where I'm from) and useful with blocking line of sight to the bad guys if you need to make a hasty exit. Use white smoke, as those in the know, know tear gas is also a white smoke, and may think twice about immediately running thru it after you.
Bug Juice- a must! Don't get the spray cans, they lose their pressure over time. Use a small squirt bottle of high concentration of DEET (unless you want to use a green alternative)
Commo: Don't settle with just low power FRS. Get a combo FRS/GMRS. The GMRS has much greater range if needed. (Disclaimer: GMRS is supposed to need a FCC license) Some people like the MURS service, but I've yet to test them. HAMers will have a portable handi-talkie at this level.
I also carry a small pocket AM/FM/WB/shortwave radio receiver to keep up with what's going on in the world when I'm out in the boonies.
Really, who carries around PVS-14's? At $3800.00 a pop, I've yet to see one in the field.
I'm not a big fan of burn creams. They shouldn't be used for open 2nd deg.+ burns, and for 1st deg. burns I just use aloe-vera + lidocain gel.
Instead of "USGI Sodium Chloride - Sodium Bicarbonate" or such rehydration electrolytes, I just use Gatoraid packets which have these in them.
I wouldn't use the Trioxane tabs unless I knew I would not be able to find wood or other combustibles to burn.
My goal is to have my Level 1 & Level 2 kits collectively achieve a 72hr BoB kit. With a good-sized butt-pack or patrol pack on the LBV, it's possible.
I'd add a small fishing net or hammock to this list. Nets are so much more useful for fishing than traditional fishing. (Disclaimer: check local laws before practicing)
Add a second regular compass to this kit. Use your small 1st line compass as a backup.
Don't forget a sharpening tool. A dull knife is almost worthless.
A CBRN mask w/pouch wouldn't hurt at this level.
3rd Line: (24hr) Patrol Pack
The list author doesn't like toothpaste. A substitute can be had with baking soda and enough water to form a paste. Plus its a dual-use item that's handy in a first-aid kit for lowering stomach acid levels.
I keep heavy bolt cutters in my BOV. You never know when you might run into a stubborn gate that's in your way...
I also keep a small pair of pocket bolt cutters for smaller fence-type jobs.
I like the parachute flare blindness idea Enigma. I've found Xenon strobes work good too.
To get the 72hr kit rating, you combine the 1st line [clothing](24hrs) + the 2nd line [LBV](24hrs) + the 3rd line [patrol pack](24hrs) = 72hr. kit. This 3-way diversification can reduce your chances of losing everything if you have to ditch some of your gear.
4th Line: (1 wk) Rucksack
When wearing the rucksack, the patrol pack simply straps on top of the ruck, out of the way.
This should hold enough food for a week, but water will have to be replenished frequently.
I'd add home-made sugardyne to my ruck's 1st-aid kit to guard vs. infections.
Medics will have an advanced trauma kit at this level, complete with air or Sam splints, IV kits, intubation kits, collars, airways, meds, etc.
5th Line: (1 wk) Existence Kit
This is just a BoB adjunct, meant to extend my time away from home by an additional week. This kit lives in an aviator's kit bag or big duffel bag in my Bug Out Vehicle(BOV). It should include a trauma kit.
6th Line: (1 month) Bug Out Vehicle (BOV)
This can be a car, truck, or RV, or combo thereof. It should have basic vehicle maintenance & survival items in it, as well as extra food, water, fuel, advanced trauma kit, shelter, etc. It should have a FRS/GMRS &/or CB & HAM radios in it, + a scanner. This is where you can haul stuff that weighs too much to carry normally.
There's so much to haul, too much in many cases. So, you have to prioritize. Carry the most important items first. Trim down weight wherever possible, and jettison the useless or heavy junk.
Peace. |
| Anonymous Coward
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| Phoenix 2012
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5/14/2009 10:03 PM
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Nice compilation.
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| Anonymous Coward
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8/2/2009 9:10 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
A bit off topic but maybe Enigma can give us a few lines regarding Gary McKinnon. |
| Anonymous Coward
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 Australia
8/2/2009 9:19 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
What a load.
Even if you were in top shape you could not run a mile with all this crap.
And if your life depended on you running a mile..WHICH it will...
you are doomed. |
| Anonymous Coward
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United States
8/18/2009 2:42 AM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
Now my 'list' may vary somewhat from yours depending on AO's and our different needs, but this list is a good guidline to start from. Quoting: Trench
No Gummy Bears? Pfft! |
| msmarystrikens
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2/27/2010 4:06 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
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| inetryconydot
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3/6/2010 8:01 AM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Loadout List 1st Thru 3rd Line | Quote |
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